the ryan campaign and romney campaign knows this is coming and looking at romney's performance, it was glib, superficially appealing. he was able to dance around not providing details so i don't know exactly how they do it. i just -- i have a kind of hunch that, you know, they'll find something that paul ryan can say that will, you know, that will get around the criticism that biden's going to come in with. >> on the lowering expectations front, the president came out said and he thinks joe biden is going to be terrific. surprisingly, they're not lowering expectations and i think trying to pump people up a little bit. you could not think of two different sort of political characters than joe biden and barack obama. obama's the deep thinker, the weary warrior. you have the sense in the first debate he didn't want to be there and shouldn't have to go through this. joe biden, on the other hand, i think he loves and embraces the political combat. i think he enjoys it and makes a big difference when you feel like the person on the stage is having fun. >> yeah. >> that makes a huge differenc